Welcome to another episode of Let's Talk Facilities. Aaron and Nick sit down with David Gilmore, Director of Evac Services, for a conversation about what emergency planning actually looks like when it is tested in real life.

Dave talks through why most emergency plans do not survive first contact with a real incident, what the fight flight or freeze response means for FMs running a drill and why life safety is everybody's responsibility and not just the warden with the clipboard.

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